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Post by General_Trageton » Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:15 pm

And there we go!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adzYW5D ... e=youtu.be

While I found that whole press conference rather awkward the trailer made up for it!
Is it just me or does that last shot look like the remains of a Death Star?

So yeah, I'm hyped alright.
Oh and #yaypalpyisback
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Post by Jaeven » Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:31 pm

I can't see Palp showing up as more than force ghost. Having said that, with how lackluster the Sequel villains have been (aside from Kylo to some extend), it's welcome news.

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Post by General_Trageton » Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:48 pm

One thing that struck me about the press conference was that apparently none of them had been preparing for it, stammering upon every question as if they hadn't seen it coming. I mean, come on, they have a PR department and agents telling them what to say, don't they? The whole thing felt really awkward and uncomfortable.

As for Palpatine, I still consider him one of the greatest villains in all of SciFi history. So yeah, him returning in whatsoever form, definitely made my day.
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Post by DTM » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:09 pm

Yes, it's the wreck of the DS (on Endor?)...but the real question is: who is Skywalker?

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Post by General_Trageton » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:24 pm

Yeah from the looks of it I'm guessing it's the DS2 on Endor. Though I was surprised to see so much of it would be left and recognizable after that explosion. Interestingly enough, that big hole in the superlaser disk matches the original scene where there's a 'smaller' explosion right there, before the main bang.

As for who "Skywalker" is, I've pondered this question long and hard and have come to the only logical conclusion:
It's obviously Barry Skywalker, Luke's long-lost half-brother, sharing the same father but a different mother, a Jedi whom Anakin had a short fling with during the Clone Wars, and who avoided the whole civil war era because that one day he came back drunk and took a wrong bus, ending up in the unknown regions, naked, tatooed and broke. Forced to hitchhike his way back home it took him some 30 years during which he was approached by the spirit of Ben Kenobi who had enough of Luke's whole self-loathing Exile thing, and decided to explore other options.

There, solved :D
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Post by capitanguinea » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:13 pm

Palpatine became a nexus of the Dark Side at Endor. Maybe it's just his echoing presence

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Post by General_Trageton » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:18 pm

Well we won't know for sure until we see.

I for my part want to believe he's back. Though I doubt they'd go the Dark Empire path making him a clone ... that would be kinda cheap.
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Post by Kilroy » Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:55 pm

I really, really hope we don't get a cloned Palpatine in this movie. That was some of the dumbest junk from the old EU next to Luuke and the gazillions of extra deathstars.

The trailer mostly seems to be trying to establish that TLJ didn't change everything. Kylo puts his helmet back together, Rey fixed the lightsaber, Luke is force ghosting about in a voice over, we can see that not all the rebel starfighters got blown up, C3-P0 has his arm back, the Falcon has its round dish back, and even CGI Leia is kicking it in the Uncanny Valley.

As much as I enjoyed FA and enjoyed parts of the mess that was TLJ, this doesn't exactly look promising but then again the trailers for these movies are always intentionally vague.

Still not sure why Kylo would want to ram someone with his spaceship though. Especially someone who has the deadliest melee weapon ever and magic powers to use it. Maybe his lasers stopped working or something. Idk. It all seems off to me.


I'm calling it now though: They clone Palpy and Luke for fanservice and as an apology for TLJ.

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Post by ual002 » Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:22 am

LONG LIVE PALPATINE.
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Post by General_Trageton » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:49 am

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... and even CGI Leia is kicking it in the Uncanny Valley....
There's no CGI Leia. According to JJ and earlier statements, all Leia scenes are created from unused footage from EP7

On a side note, here is an interesting theory about who or what "Skywalker" references to: If they follow the naming conventions of the past two trilogies, you come up with this:
- Revenge of the Sith
- Return of the Jedi
- The Rise of Skywalker
At the end of TLJ the Jedi are once more all but whiped out and Rey stands at a point where she has to chose what to do with the knowledge she obtained, reform the jedi as they were or "replace" them with something new. At this point she might decide to name this new order to honor this legacy. Intriguingly enough, according to the second Thrawn novel, "Skywalker" is the translation of what the Chiss call their force-sensitive children whom they employ as navigators on starships to plot hyperspace jumps using the Force. Just a thought.
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Post by DTM » Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:54 pm

I think about the possible return of Palpatine (reborn?), the return of a Skywalker (reborn?), the genesis of the chosen one, the legend and the ability Darth Plagueis...you know...there are enough element to say that everything is possible...Ray has no parents...Anakin has no father...maybe they are both Skywalker...?...maybe we are all Skywalker...?....

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Post by General_Trageton » Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:10 pm

There‘s this theory that in Star Wars, everything that falls down a bottomless pit, eventually returns at some point.
Take Luke‘s lightsaber, Maul, now Palpatine, hell we might even get Han back XD
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Post by Tuskin » Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:29 pm

If he isn't a live, and is some sort of presence, he won't be a force ghost in the normal sense, George forbid that during Clone Wars, and they seem to take his word seriously, even after he left the company.

But there are instances of dark forces users spirits 'haunting' areas in the new canon.

Also there is an Imperial-I Class Star Destroyer in the trailer, with what appears to be red highlights on the edges of it. Might be the resistance found one at a junkyard or something. Or it could be New Republic leftovers.

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Post by Driftwood » Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:40 pm

Meh. It's probably going to be an amazing production, but steaming hot garbage in relation to the plot. I don't know what JJ's original vision was for the trilogy, but we can thank Rian Johnson for throwing that off.

I'm overall done with "Nu Ster Wurs" canon past ROTJ at this point, they've done a pretty unrecoverable job of ruining continuity for me and the injection of the modern political SJW of the recent productions (partially subliminal memes, partially in casting, partially the fact Rian told longstanding fans who had issue with his plot to F off manbabies) nonsense is really taking away from my enjoyment. And with the fact that there's little to tie it to the old guard in any meaningful way, I'm just not feeling any connection to it anymore.
Interestingly Rogue One and Solo, though adaptations that paralleled the old background stories, not full "new" plot, do not have the same issues as the trilogy does.

I'll still watch it, but whether or not it redeems the trilogy a bit remains to be seen. Hopefully it doesn't suck, but meh.

I'll take the tech, the toys, and mostly leave the rest. I'll create my own star wars, with blackjack and hookers.

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Post by Kilroy » Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:49 pm

I'll still never understand why people are so bothered that the new Star Wars has girls in it.

There are enough actual problems with the plot, pacing, and tone to worry about.

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Post by Driftwood » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:19 pm

Star wars has always had girls in it, that's not the issue. FFS. Thanks for illustrating the knee jerk ignorant reaction based reason I'm tired of the bullshit. I'm done with society and this kind of "omg you dont like women if you dont like "the thing" being discussed at the time" nonsense. Its social shaming to push people to go along with "the agenda", and in Rian Johnsons case to stifle negative feedback on his portion of the trilogy.

But now that you mention it, I dont care for the female leads (not most of the male cast either). Lazy writing strikes again combined with Kathryn Kennedy's bullshit "the force is female" agenda.
All of the women are the same character with different wrapping.
Jyn, broken, emotionally devastated, cold, angry, and stubborn. Effectively abandoned in youth.
Rey, literally abandoned as a child, angry, emotionally devastated, stubborn. Broken.
Iden, emotionally abandoned by her father, emotionally cold, major daddy issues, angry, stubborn.

Not a single one is emotionally stable, and they all emulate masculine traits as a cover for their damaged psyche. The reality is they are all damaged, broken little girls putting on a tough guy act to compensate. Actually, now that I think about it, Iden is the only one I have any respect for since shes actually put the work into developing herself into a more competent resiliant individual.

You're not wrong with the plot issues, that's the biggest problem, and there is an element to that which is directly caused by the socio-political agendas being pushed into the genre that isnt present in the old movies, or the prequels.
Call me a misogynist if you want for my observations, I dont care in the least, social shame has long since stopped working as a behavioral modifier.

The other reason why the old movies, books, comics, games, and shows are superior is that they don't suffer from the flat out lazy writing. I think the other cinematic issues stem from the fact it seems like disney is using modern action movie tropes, humor, pacing, and other techniques "to make them more hip", that in my opinion dont really work for the genre. And yes, I consider Star Wars it's own genre.

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Post by Kilroy » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:28 pm

Luke was exactly the same as Rey though. He was naive, stubborn, and angry, and it nearly got him killed in Empire. Neither Luke nor Rey are terribly deep characters. This is why their companions are actually the more interesting people. Jyn was badly written and had no personally other than shooting things. However, that doesn't make her masculine or feminine. She's just a character with a gun. I don't know Iden because I don't support EA's business practices.

I don't see anything that makes them overly masculine other than they're fighting their attackers like everyone else? It's a movie about space wars. People are going to fight. That's literally the focus of the entire plot for all the movies. Is there a way for women to fight that isn't emulating something we usually consider masculine? The whole concept seems outdated.

If any character is made masculine it's Leia in the OT. She shoots the first guy she sees, violently strangles her enemy to death, mocks her enemies to their faces, and barely shows any emotion or grief after her planet gets blown up. She's basically Indiana Jones in a dress and that's awesome.

There just doesn't seem to be any kind of wild political agenda present in these new movies. The bad guys were always space nazis. Imperial officers wear nazi uniforms. Stormtroopers are named after literal nazi stormtroopers. The good guys were always cowboys of mixed backgrounds. That's how star wars has always been.

I just don't get the complaint.

The prequels are the movies actually drenched in genuine political commentary, to the point that the Sith quote George W Bush almost verbatim and the films revolve around invading a nebulous threat and destroying the pacifists. Lucas was no stranger to inserting his political commentary in that trilogy. If you're going to complain about something like politics in new movies then at least be consistent.
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Post by Jaeven » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:40 pm

I hope you don't take this personally Kilroy, but I'd just like to point out Stormtroopers are actually named after Imperial Germany's WW1 special forces called Sturmtruppen (Stormtroopers), who were shock troops specially trained for taking enemy trench lines. Contrary to popular perception, they had nothing to do with with Nazis ;)

Othewise, I agree with your overall point. The Empire was definitely inspired by both the Nazis and the worst aspects of the Soviet Union.

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Post by Kilroy » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:41 pm

Ah, I was not aware of that point. Good to know!

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Post by Kilroy » Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:10 pm

Though if we are going to take into account the fact that the new movies are using modern cinematic tropes and such, recall that the prequels did the same too.

The prequels draw heavily from Gladiator (Arena Fight), Blade Runner (Coruscant jedi temple specifically), the Fifth Element (Coruscant chase, even using a yellow flying car in AOTC), and Minority Report (Geonosis factory is the same as the car factory scene).

I guess AOTC seems to be the most guilty of doing this looking back.

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Post by keiranhalcyon7 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:10 am

I could have done without that casino scene. "War is bad, and the war profiteers are the real enemy." That's a fine enough message, but this IP is called "Star Wars". Wrong venue. It's a criticism totally orthogonal to feminism, though.

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Post by Kilroy » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:31 am

Good point. That scene, like much of the Rose Finn subplot, was completely disconnected. The message also seemed half baked since the movie still clearly establishes the rebels as the good guys. The message feels extremely muddled unless the weapons being sold to the rebels then went on to hurt innocent people in the rebel's hands too? But we don't see that in the movie itself so it's pointless.

Even weirder given that most of rebel tech has always been taken from the empire or purchased from the underworld. I felt like that scene was going somewhere interesting on my first viewing of TLJ but it just kind of stops there awkwardly.

Now that I think about it, that scene happens about 48 hours after the First Order committed genocide on multiple worlds. Guess that should have been a sign that DJ was not a person of sound morals.

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Post by Driftwood » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:32 am

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Luke was exactly the same as Rey though. He was naive, stubborn, and angry, and it nearly got him killed in Empire. Neither Luke nor Rey are terribly deep characters. This is why their companions are actually the more interesting people. Jyn was badly written and had no personally other than shooting things. However, that doesn't make her masculine or feminine. She's just a character with a gun. I don't know Iden because I don't support EA's business practices.

I don't see anything that makes them overly masculine other than they're fighting their attackers like everyone else? It's a movie about space wars. People are going to fight. That's literally the focus of the entire plot for all the movies. Is there a way for women to fight that isn't emulating something we usually consider masculine? The whole concept seems outdated.

If any character is made masculine it's Leia in the OT. She shoots the first guy she sees, violently strangles her enemy to death, mocks her enemies to their faces, and barely shows any emotion or grief after her planet gets blown up. She's basically Indiana Jones in a dress and that's awesome.

There just doesn't seem to be any kind of wild political agenda present in these new movies. The bad guys were always space nazis. Imperial officers wear nazi uniforms. Stormtroopers are named after literal nazi stormtroopers. The good guys were always cowboys of mixed backgrounds. That's how star wars has always been.

I just don't get the complaint.

The prequels are the movies actually drenched in genuine political commentary, to the point that the Sith quote George W Bush almost verbatim and the films revolve around invading a nebulous threat and destroying the pacifists. Lucas was no stranger to inserting his political commentary in that trilogy. If you're going to complain about something like politics in new movies then at least be consistent.
EA, yeah I totally get that and understand your point of view here, everything they touch in the long run runs afoul of their "profit at all cost" practice. I noticed this when they bought Westwood studios, BioWare, Obsidion, ect. It all started out well and has quickly devolved to overt profiteering at the expense of quality content.

To help you out with the context of Iden though, Iden wasn't very interesting and even after two games and at least one novel, I think there may be another but I haven't read it, the biggest thing is she's largely finished her daddy issues by the end of the second game, sort of. Her story is a pretty typical one of "Daddy was a high ranking officer, mommy turned out to be a junkie and was absent (IIRC), Daddy was emotionally distant and treated her like garbage, though taught her responsibility, respect, dependability, and how to succeed, using her daddy issues and inferiority complex she climbed the ranks and eventually gained the respect of her father (also her immediate superior in the Empire), though never gained any emotional connection that she so desperately sought throughout the process, only to turn traitor and have that bridge burned; only to reconcile before her father's death at Jakku." Eventually she gets married to Del, one of her prior subordinates and fellow defector, Hask kills her then husband several years later and her and their daughter go to get revenge. Del was the classic "beta cuck nice guy", and she clearly wore the pants, which didn't sit well with me; but they worked well together and I was sad to see him die. As I recall the story leaves off with her and her daughter joining the resistance at the beginning of the fight against the First Order, who Hask is now a part of, also a former Inferno squad member. I'm not sure where the story goes from there, but I'd read the book if there is one for the sake of continuity.

Frankly, it took a lot for her to grow on me but I don't hate the character compared to Jyn and Rey. She's admirable, and I want to like her, but she's essentially a man in regards to how she runs her life. Which isn't something I'm attracted to, but I suspect that's the only reason I could relate, and we had a similar upbringing. Minus the junkie mom. This is a rare connection for me, as I generally do not relate well to female characters, and the way that people tend to present them basically over-masculinizes them, which in my opinion takes away from their feminine strengths. I like my women to be effeminate and complimentary to the man they (may) have romantic involvement with. Men and women are different, we are by nature supposed to be complimentary to each other, one being strong in the areas the other isn't. It's normal, healthy, and balanced. Mara and Leia were kind of on the more independent extreme (as you pointed out) than what I'd prefer, but even Mara compliments Luke in the books, and vice versa, and the characters work well together. They had healthy relationships and "real world perceived gender roles" were a non-issue. Examples of good writing, and understanding normal, healthy, relationships. I mean I guess if you overlook the fact Mara hated him at first and swore to kill him. :irre: And Leia exhibited more balanced behavior in the books and comics, and I have to admit in EP7 when she reunites with Han, she wasn't always as you described.

Luke took three movies and countless comics, books, and games to develop as a character. Though compared to Rey, he developed quite a bit more between IV and V, V and VI his increase in maturity was huge in comparison to the prior movies also. I have yet to see Rey mature in any meaningful way and is still impetus and petulant; and clearly a natural prodigy when it comes to the force, which honestly isn't particularly interesting. We are generally in agreement here, though I would argue Luke was more frustrated with being stuck where he was and wanted to get out into the world and have a gainful career.
In contrast, Rey doesn't seem to have had much of an aspiration to start with. Then again, they were raised in entirely different environments, and Luke had some semblance of a normal stable life.

Again, the socio-political agenda is present if you know what it is. It is not readily apparent to those who either don't care, or are not paying attention to it. (This is not a dig at you, this is a general observation.) Especially if one pays attention to the Producer, director, and actor commentary on a wide range of subjects ranging from casting, their own expressed personal politics, their twitter feeds related to these topics, and the subtle memes and overt references or perhaps behaviors present in the movies. Two examples is the requirement for racial diversity quotas and specific % for actors from various nationalities that was explicitly discussed in various "forums" during production of Ep7, and Kathleen Kennedy's slogan "The Force is Female". To the entire interplay between Holdo and Poe. Never mind that in a real military scenario would that have never played out that way, and if it had she'd probably have been shot for treason on the spot if it did. Never mind the entire lack of professionalism on her part (speaking of, where was her military uniform? - side tangent) Poe would never have been demoted like that, or ridiculed as a man in the process.

I'm just saying, these things are present, and I notice them, and it ruins my immersion on top of the bad writing.

And yes, I realize that George did use past and some (then) current events as inspiration for plot devices, but he did it in a way that was less of a social agenda and more of an observation on how historically the events in universe mirrored how things play out in our history. He also used such devices tastefully, and did not have a plainly stated (or overall) socio-political agenda as far as I've ever been able to find. Therefore, it was more tolerable than this thinly veiled propaganda initiative we have today. I think this is more an issue of Disney, none of these issues ranging from bad plot points (debatable) to political subliminal or overt messages were an issue before the takeover. Disney has a long standing propaganda machine that can be observed (and has been documented) in every single Disney production ever made for the last fifty years. I also hate Disney as a company, but obviously I'm kind of between Star Wars and a hard place in this situation.

I want to be clear, these are my personal gripes with the new trilogy and much of the new Star Wars content. Star Wars Rebels thankfully and interestingly enough is entirely devoid of the socio-political issues noticed in 7-9, or many of the books post take-over release (depending on the author). I have strong opinions based on what I know of our society, the history of our beloved Star Wars and its production, and the observations therein. I'm merely sharing these opinions and observations as a fellow fan who wishes to have healthy discourse on the subject of the new content, I'm not trying to sway anybody's opinion or ram my own personal "theology" for lack of a better word right now, down anybody's proverbial throat.

Honestly I'm extremely torn with the direction things seem to be going. On one hand there are aspects (socio-political-propagandizing), overt profiteering, and to some extent harassment and demeaning of long term fans due to their not being 100% happy with things from "the powers that be" (we buy your products, so not a good business practice here), and of course yes the bad plot.
From the beginning I have hoped this not liking the movies was just "Prequel Syndrome" again, you know? Most people hated the prequels, so did I. Then the books and games came out and filled in all the plot holes and issues that I had with it, and it was better and richer than before. I'm not really getting that vibe this time around, the movies as stories are just poorly written and badly executed. There's some glimmer of hope in Solo and Rogue One movies, and the TV shows, and possibly some of the books, but I'm not certain.

I love Star Wars, my kids love it, it's something we can enjoy as a family. It's all fiction, but it's enjoyable fiction and there's so much fun to be had with it, and that should really be the focus of the people producing these products. Fun and consistency within the well established universe.

And yeah, I didn't care for the casino scene either, I think it's a dig at the weapons industry amidst the global/US gun-control push, possibly a reference to all the wars going on (War = profit; always is profitable for everybody but the loser). I would say that the rebels though are equally guilty for their weapon usage in regards to collateral damage, as the FO/Empire, warfare isn't clean and the lines are not always clear; the fact is innocent people get hurt in conflict and that's just life. Rebel extremists have also historically in SW attacked loyal imperial civilians in the past, this also is known. But never depicted on the screen, it's kinda one of those things I believe when it comes to storytelling that good doesn't commit wrongs, and cannot be shown to share anything in common with what is depicted as evil, we as people are moralistic. The Nazi's justified genocide of the Jews because they literally brainwashed their citizenry pretty effectively to consider them sub human, and blame them for the financial woes of Germany at the time. I guarantee you the Nazi's and general citizenry did not perceive or portray themselves as villains throughout the war, and Allied forces nations demonized them, and in regards to genocide, justly so. But things aren't clear cut in open conflict, covert conflict, or information warfare, that's kinda the point. History is written by the victor.
I think additionally, the casino scene is an interesting piece of information in-universe though. It makes you wonder a little, how much do the in universe corporations influence the conflict? Obviously playing both sides is incredibly intelligent, very amoral, and extremely profitable since you're guaranteed to get repeat business. And whichever faction wins, you win either way. It's smart business, not ethical business if we compare what IS definitively right and what is definitively wrong. However, one could also argue that one could also cripple the FO/Empire by refusing to sell product to them, and the Alliance/Republic/Rebels would win and good would triumph. On the other hand, logically the Empire would just take over your factories and resources and probably kill you in the process and get the materials they need rather than you profiting. So, that's kind of a rock and hard place. Then again if you supported the "good" side, you'd probably wind up out of business in the end too. So obviously enabling the conflict to continue is in your best financial and personal interest. A behind the scenes look perhaps behind the mechanics of the war machine.

I dunno, I'm speculating on this last point pretty heavily. I never really gave it much thought because it seemed pretty obvious that people will do what they need to further their own agenda given the context.

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Post by Driftwood » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:44 am

General_Trageton wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:49 am
Kilroy wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:55 pm
... and even CGI Leia is kicking it in the Uncanny Valley....
There's no CGI Leia. According to JJ and earlier statements, all Leia scenes are created from unused footage from EP7

On a side note, here is an interesting theory about who or what "Skywalker" references to: If they follow the naming conventions of the past two trilogies, you come up with this:
- Revenge of the Sith
- Return of the Jedi
- The Rise of Skywalker
At the end of TLJ the Jedi are once more all but whiped out and Rey stands at a point where she has to chose what to do with the knowledge she obtained, reform the jedi as they were or "replace" them with something new. At this point she might decide to name this new order to honor this legacy. Intriguingly enough, according to the second Thrawn novel, "Skywalker" is the translation of what the Chiss call their force-sensitive children whom they employ as navigators on starships to plot hyperspace jumps using the Force. Just a thought.
This is an interesting observation. I just can't imagine where they'd be going with this obscure reference though. I'm more inclined to think that Disney's going with continuing the Skywalker saga in some fashion, as I think that realistically Rey is related in some fashion but Rian Johnson threw out JJ's plot. Disney stated that Rey's parents were not in EP7 or EP8, and characters in universe stated that "They were unimportant and don't matter". But why does Rey have such a strong force affinity with realistically next to no training, and why does she have such a strong connection to Anakin's light saber? Why does she share some slight resemblance to Padme and young Leia? I'd figure she'd be an illegitimate child of Luke, but on the other hand that makes no sense since he up and died without touching on that, and wouldn't he have known like Vader that he she was his daughter? Or some other means of revealing this would have cropped up. Or maybe her and Ben are twins, which also would contextually make zero sense since there has been no mention of another child, and I would have expected Leia to touch on this in EP8, or Han in EP7. And if there was reason to not, why? Maybe she's related via Padme's side of the family? Though that doesn't make sense either.

It's all wild speculation.

It's also entirely possible that Kylo is entirely correct in stating that her parents were unimportant and don't matter.

Unless Ben represents the Dark side, and Rey represents the Light Side? Possible dually opposed avatars operating in balance with each other like the Son or the Daughter?

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Post by keiranhalcyon7 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:18 am

I took the casino scene to be a commentary on Donald Rumsfeld/Blackwater, although those are but two semi-recent well-publicized examples.
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Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:44 am
But why does Rey have such a strong force affinity with realistically next to no training, and why does she have such a strong connection to Anakin's light saber? Why does she share some slight resemblance to Padme and young Leia? I'd figure she'd be an illegitimate child of Luke, but on the other hand that makes no sense since he up and died without touching on that, and wouldn't he have known like Vader that he she was his daughter? Or some other means of revealing this would have cropped up. Or maybe her and Ben are twins, which also would contextually make zero sense since there has been no mention of another child, and I would have expected Leia to touch on this in EP8, or Han in EP7. And if there was reason to not, why?
My guess is that some relation was planned. Hard to say at this point, short of JJ outright stating what his original plan was (and he's almost certainly contractually prohibited from doing so, because Disney). We'll see how much of it he can restore in IX.

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