Upgraded Shuttle and new Comm Relay and Sattelites

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Post by Driftwood » Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:58 pm

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I can't seem to replicate Driftwoods theory about the Cort gunturret, I've added the Falcon, the normal cort and the YT2000, and the player craft is the shuttle when I press 'G' the only gunturret I see is the shuttle gunwell :?
Have you moved the player to one of the other ships (leaving slot order the same) and entered the turret in those? It should, unfortunately display the shuttle gunner opt with the CORT POV stats.

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Post by Darksaber » Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:47 pm

So to be honest, it's not really a common problem, plus I doubt there is a fixable solution,

I think this is the same sort of problem with switching craft which causes the switched craft to fire lasers or missiles from the centre of the model, it's just another bug we can't physically fix. :(

for a 20 year old game I don't think the list of bugs is that long.
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Post by Bman » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:12 pm

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Post by Darksaber » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:29 pm

That not MXvTED 4.1 thats MXvTED 4.0 which has been around since 2011 I suggest you refresh the page a couple of times and download it again, it should be a RAR file and not a zip


Going to have to test this, thanks
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Post by Darksaber » Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:18 pm

Rotation settings = Transformation

Look = 0, 0, 32767
Up = 0, -32767, 0
Right = -32767, 0, 0

Open the Gunturret in Optech, it will open :)

Now look in the Transformations tab and check the rotation box, then compare it to the original in optech, the original barrels move up, down, your altered settings make the barrels move left and right
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Post by Driftwood » Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:49 am

Bman, just an FYI, DS and I did have to make a game-play decision about reducing the forward laser hard-points to less than 7 (shuttle should technically have 8) as the indicators seem to be hardwired to cap out at 7 total charge indicators.

As I recall, we both came to the conclusion it'd be better to have fewer firing lasers, than to have no charge indicators. The other option was to add ions (not canon), or a secondary laser system that obviously can't be linked as it's classed as a transport, so defeats the purpose of having that many forward firing lasers.

I suspect it's hard-coded, unfortunately.

If you found a fix for the player lasers firing through the cockpit, then by all means I'm fine with trying to implement them, especially since eventually the E/SHU is on my to-do list, and that would solve DS's pet peeve with this particular issue :P

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Post by XDragon » Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:02 pm

Darksaber wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:38 am
@XDragon

Your problem is right there (Red Circle)
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You've manually input ShuttleCockpit when it should ONLY read Shuttle

I've tested the installer for each option None of them input ShuttleCockpit!! Sorry but you caused your own problem.

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I've checked all POV's, and tested in skirmish for each option, sorry mate but I can't find a problem, the POV's are correct, I see the gunturret for each turret option.

I can't seem to replicate Driftwoods theory about the Cort gunturret, I've added the Falcon, the normal cort and the YT2000, and the player craft is the shuttle when I press 'G' the only gunturret I see is the shuttle gunwell :?
So ShuttleCockpit was the name for the Murrian Cockpit Newreris' site that was a default for both shuttles. I've changed the name and all is well with the Imp Shuttle. However, it looks like the ShuttleCockpit nolonger works with the Murrian, i've tried redownloading it and renaming it but it's not working.
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Post by Driftwood » Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:15 pm

If you notice, not a single cockpit field in MxVTED has "cockpit" following the ship name.

For instance, slot 1 is the X-Wing. The X-Wing cockpit tab has Xwing in said field. Incidentally the opts related to the X-Wing are, Xwing.opt, XwingExterior.opt, and XwingCockpit.opt. The game automatically references the XwingCockpit opt, and if you type in the entire opt name it won't work correctly.

Rename ShuttleCockpit.opt, to MuurianCockpit.opt in the flightmodels folder, and rename it to Muurian in the cockpit field for said transport.

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Post by JeremyaFr » Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:25 pm

Darksaber wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:36 pm
Basically the box next to Arc 3 is in the wrong place, I fixed this back in January and also fixed the POV X,Z,Y settings and removed all the writing I inserted, I'm limited to what I can do, basically I've just rearranged the UI.

You can download MXvTED4.1 from my website File Archive/Craft Editors
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I haven't noticed the new version. :kopfwand:

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Post by Driftwood » Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:38 pm

JeremyaFr wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:25 pm
Darksaber wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:36 pm
Basically the box next to Arc 3 is in the wrong place, I fixed this back in January and also fixed the POV X,Z,Y settings and removed all the writing I inserted, I'm limited to what I can do, basically I've just rearranged the UI.

You can download MXvTED4.1 from my website File Archive/Craft Editors
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I haven't noticed the new version. :kopfwand:
Haha, incidentally I also realised I'm still using v3.0

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Post by Darksaber » Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:50 pm

@Jeremy

To be honest I made the changes in January, but I only upload MXvTEDv4.1 yesterday :( sorry lol

@Driftwood

There isn't that much difference really, I've just rearranged a few things, and tried to correct some stuff, In the original version 3.0 the POV setting are mixed up, Z and Y are the wrong way around, yes the reads X, Y, Z, as the should, but the boxes below are messed up and the only way I could change it was to have the X, Y, Z as X, Z, Y

The other stuff like the Arc boxes I was able to rearrange and correct them properly, I've just made it a little more user friendly, originally I only did it for myself, but then I uploaded version 4.0 in 2011 and in January I too another look at it again and rearranged the turret boxes.

Any how hope you like the minor changes :)
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Post by Bman » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:46 am

I figured out the Shuttlegunner.opt doesn't work when I was on Team two in the Skirmish simulator room. One team one, it's fine. Great job by the way.
I spent all weekend trying to figure out a way doing different combinations of how to stop the two rear EmpireTurboLaser hardpoints on the base Shuttle.opt from firing forward. One other solution is delete those two points, and all works except you no longer have a "auto-defense mode" to use i.e. [X] key. The above post I put of the picture.... not good because all the front lasers fire in "auto-defense-mode".

Jeremy, do you have any ideas on how to stop the one or both of the two rear EmpireTurboLaser hardrpoints on back turret mesh of the Shuttle.opt from firing forward during game play ? My first thought was the Look, Up, Right transformation values 0; 0; -32767, 0; -32767; 0, 32767; 0; 0 or some other combination but it doesn't appear to work on several configurations. I'm not really sure how you are defining Look, Up, and Right. The ShuttleExterior.opt has no effect, and I don't think ShuttleGunner.opt has any effect either. Thoughts?
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Post by keiranhalcyon7 » Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:22 pm

Speculation: It may be that when turret guns are set to fire forward with your other lasers, they do so regardless of their arc settings. If the arc is able to fire forward (as is the case with the corts), you wouldn't notice that the arc isn't being checked at all.

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Post by Bman » Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:42 am

Not sure. The key might be how a mesh is made and what direction its "front side" is made before it is imported into Optech. In other words, on basic level how does the game engine know that left side (in general as seen in Jeremy's editor) is the default front side of the model (all meshes) ? I'm pretty sure it's all related to orientation of the mesh(es) and the transformation values, the Look x,y,z Up x,y,z, and Right x,y,z values which are in general a basic 90 degree axis to each other before editing, and angle of meshes can make those values very complex, not to mention the arc values which I'm not clear about yet. I also wish there was a way to control the arc/firing angles of the laser hardpoints for models that are bigger than starfighters. i.e. Shuttle and so forth from firing backwards or very extreme angles that just aren't realistic. For Starships it's the RotaryGunTurrets type mesh that work well. But I digress. Lol.
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Post by Darksaber » Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:31 am

I'm not messing with this any longer, Bman if you wish to continue, that's great :), but until we have a definite fix, if one is available, I won't be changing anything in the installer :(

Personally I didn't want to include the turret, due to the lasers firing through the craft, one reason I included different versions of the shuttle with no turret, so there is an option.
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Post by Bman » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:18 am

No worries about installer. My gut feeling there is a solution around corner and it might help with other models in general. Going to do some extensive testing. I'll post back if I come up with anything useful for shuttle itself. Unless Jeremy knows of a quicker way, but he's busy with other projects.
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Post by JeremyaFr » Fri Aug 24, 2018 3:50 pm

Bman wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:46 am
Jeremy, do you have any ideas on how to stop the one or both of the two rear EmpireTurboLaser hardrpoints on back turret mesh of the Shuttle.opt from firing forward during game play ? My first thought was the Look, Up, Right transformation values 0; 0; -32767, 0; -32767; 0, 32767; 0; 0 or some other combination but it doesn't appear to work on several configurations. I'm not really sure how you are defining Look, Up, and Right. The ShuttleExterior.opt has no effect, and I don't think ShuttleGunner.opt has any effect either. Thoughts?
I don't know. Maybe you can have a look to AccelRing3.opt. It has lasers that fire forward and lasers that fire backward.

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Post by Bman » Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:24 am

Did more testing and the best solution I've now come with will;
1) Keep rear turbo lasers from firing forward through cockpit,
2) Will work as it should in auto-defense mode "X" key, independently from the small front lasers,
3) Does not cause small front lasers to behave like turbo laser hardpoints, and
4) Allows you to still switch to rear turret gunnermode with "G" key but behaves just like the small front lasers (half or full power) depending on your current re-charge rate. In Skirmish mode (Team 1), rear turret lasers will always be red color (hardcoded), but in regular missions, the IFF of shuttle determines the normal laser colors---red (team rebel) or green (team Imperial).

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The first screen of MXvTED4.1, I changed to "GunnerFlyable" mode, but I think this can be left as "Flyable" too.
I have all eight front lasers working (EmpireLaser hardpoints) at the expense of not having the in-cockpit recharge bars showing. Matter of preference.
Second screen, the key is that the first laser system's Sequence box should be left at 1. The second laser system should NOT be mapped to anything and make it's Sequence box = "4" to invoke any TurboEmpireLaser hardpoints on the base .opt model, and then set the third laser system to "283" (Full Green BlasterLasers) and use "5" in it's Sequence box.
Both the rear turrets of the base Shuttle.opt model and ShuttleGunner.opt must both have the same EmpireTurboLaser or RebelTurboLaser hardpoints to work.
Third screen I changed my rear gunner POV position and last screen I don't recall if I changed anything or not.
I've attached the ShuttleV3.1.shp file in this post of the Shuttle fix if anyone wants to import into MXvTED4.1 and test it. Or do it manually.

@Driftwood, untested a/t/m, but I believe this setup will work other traditional non-flyable craft such as the Escort Shuttle, maybe Y-WingB, Republic LAAT gunships, or anything else that has rear turbo laser hardpoints with or without one or two ModelName_Gunner.opt models. :-)
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Post by Darksaber » Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:07 pm

Thanks Bman :D
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