Z-95 Headhunter ver 3.1 - update to ver 4.1

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Post by rogue518 » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:12 pm

Thanks... DTM the .ini file did the trick!! ;) This was for a custom mission. Oh, my apologies the Z-95 v3.1 is awesome with it's custom flight group colors..... :D

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Post by Ace Antilles » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:53 pm

I think I may need to do a fresh install of XWA. I think I've messed about too much with it lol
I'm getting a weird perspective in the Z95 cockpit where the centre hud view is stretched.
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Also in the Pilot Proving Grounds is anyone else getting a weird numbering on the scores pic?
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Post by BenKenobi » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:59 pm

I think you're right about the stretching of the CMD @Ace Antilles, but don't think it's your system.
I only looked briefly at the Z-95 but I did see the same. I've mentioned it in my post about the CMD in the Dynamic Cockpits here: https://xwaupgrade.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=12510
Your screenshot confirms my suspicion.

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Post by DTM » Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:18 pm

Yes. CMD has to be fixed on some crafts. It will be done with the next release of Tie Fighters Dynamic Cockpit pack. Please, be patient. There is a lot of work still to be done.

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Post by Bman » Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:46 pm

This might help. Here's from my notes . . .
xwa_hook_mission_tie allows more FG textures on meshes beyond the first 4 textures of Red, Gold, Blue, Green. etc.+... (0 up to 127 max.) 128 total possibilities.

The format is a line per replacement.
To replace the flight group markings, the format is: "fg", fg number, "markings", value.

You only edit the second variable [fg number] and the last variable [value]. The "fg" and "markings" are constants or strings that the patch uses. You would leave these alone.

"fg number" is the index FG number listed in the AlliED FG list of the given mission.tie file. 0 would be first FG at the very top, 1 would be second FG, and so on "down" the list window.
"value" references which texture map to show; 0 through 127 texture maps. (0 = Red is the 1st TEX000*** texture map of the mesh's face group, 1 = Gold, 2 = Blue, and so on.)

Avoid referencing .dat backdrop Flight Groups etc. (non .opt models)

For example, I combined all of DS' Red Squadron X-wings into one model, but I forgot about the LODs. Doh! It does work in-game, but you can only have one X-wing per FG to see all the unique FG markings for Skywalker's group in the death star trench run scenario. Otherwise if you had more than one x-wing say for FG 5, you'd have two or more Skywalker X-wings.

So in my 1B1M1_MissionName.txt or .ini file....
I would need the following in order to show the texture maps for X-Wing Red-5 and Red-6:

;To access the 5th FG texture markings (Skywalker's Xwing) (player's craft)
fg, 4, markings, 4

;To access the 6th FG texture markings (J.Porkin's Xwing)
fg, 5, markings, 5

It would "not" be necessary to include the following Flight Group statements as long as they are created in the AlliED mission file first, verbatim:
fg, 0, markings, 0 (Red Leader)
fg, 1, markings, 1
fg, 2, markings, 2
fg, 3, markings, 3

Does that all make sense?
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Post by Bman » Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:48 pm

@DTM, woo-hoo! Great job b/t/w on Z-95. :-)
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Post by blue_max » Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:56 pm

The aspect ratio in the CMD can be fixed by modifying the DC file. For the case of the Z-95, I already fixed it:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rlim7qydweul9 ... it.dc?dl=0

If there are others, please let me know and I'll fix them -- it's very easy to do.

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Post by Darksaber » Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:12 pm

You might be fixing the aspect ratio, but I suspect the cmd is now a lot smaller and unreadable, without testing this I might be wrong, I bet I'm not though, the actual model screens needs to be made rectangular so the cmd or text screens fits into them without being stretched, distorted or having to change the aspect ratio to make it fit.
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Post by keiranhalcyon7 » Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:43 pm

Bman wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:46 pm
This might help. Here's from my notes . . .
I know it's not currently possible, but I do wonder how difficult it would be to enable each ship in a fg to use different markings

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Post by DTM » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:20 pm

Thanks Blue Max! For the moment this is a good solution. The CMD is readable. However, as mentioned, the CMD will be slightly modified to optimize the shape, as suggested by Darksaber. I am accumulating field experience ... :D

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Post by Jaeven » Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:31 am

Nice work, DTM.

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Post by Bman » Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:20 am

keiranhalcyon7 wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:43 pm
Bman wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:46 pm
This might help. Here's from my notes . . .
I know it's not currently possible, but I do wonder how difficult it would be to enable each ship in a fg to use different markings
Kerian, this is possible now. Here is video proof of what I meant from my above post. Download Link expires in 6 days:

https://www.filemail.com/d/ehyicetavpldoyz

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https://fil.email/lKQjbl5D

RE-EDITED: Hi DS, this is just a DL link of a video of your model. Lol, I know better than to distribute your work to the public without asking first. No worries mate. Do take a look though. I think you might like it and get some ideas.

I did all of this through XWAOptEditor tool, nothing else. Started with DS's Xwing Red3, model then imported all of the other five X-wing models one at a time. Deleted the redundant meshes after I assigned the FG textures onto the original meshes. The only imported meshes I kept was the droid heads. How did I make this work? By using a lot of transparent textures on other FG texture maps. I could have added Gold group textures, Blue, Green, and so on, but the file size would be huge. I did make a separate XwingGold.opt , XwingBlue.opt, and XwingGreen.opt files. If you still don't believe me, I can post in-game video of all of the six different Red Squadron X-wings all in the same mission or send you a PM to the model itself. Not to hi-jack this thread, but same concept applies to Z-95. You can add different FG textures like battle damaged wings with laser blast holes in the wings using transparent textures on part of the mesh(es).
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Post by technomage » Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:44 am

Looks great! All dark and glowy. Especially like the gauges. Even if all of the electronics are blown, you'll still know what the oil pressure is.

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Post by keiranhalcyon7 » Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:09 am

Darksaber, Bman's description is of a video download, not the opt he derived from your X-Wing opts. What's wrong with posting videos?

Bman, I meant within the same flight group. Missions have a flight group cap, so burning 6 or 12 FGs just to get some unique markings in is expensive.

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Post by Bman » Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:00 am

Yes, I think engine caps out at six ships per FG. There's no hook to extend that, that I'm aware of. But FG textures are not really an issue other than increasing file sizes of the .opt models. Perhaps offset with smaller traditional resolution sizes under 256x256, and use .png files which are smaller than .bmps.
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Post by keiranhalcyon7 » Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:19 am

Ace, that PPG issue looks like a problem with the new text renderer. You should probably report that here

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Post by haui » Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:13 am

the cockpit works perfect. The text in the integrated hud is perfect readable. That is a great look and feel while playing the game

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Post by Trevor » Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:21 pm

Bman, I think somebody is still missing the point OR not explaining the point...

First, in your method Do you or do you NOT use a separate FG for each x-wing colour?
If NOT then how as it is currently assumed that an FG colour can only be assigned to a whole flight group (not individual ships WITHIN a flightgroup)
If you do assign separate FG's (so each ship is an FG of its own) then this is - as keiran said, a waist of FG slots and a per craft hook is probably desired

Second, I doubt that sacrificing HD textures for FG colours is going to go down well, and as for png within the engine, forget it. That would require a slew of new code to handle... unless... hmm... you could do something similar to Dynmamic Cockpit and Shaders Normal maps by loading external images at runtime?


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Post by eddyfurax » Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:30 pm

Ace Antilles wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:48 pm
eddyfurax wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:17 pm
Thank you for this new opt and this wonderful cockpit.
I am like a kid this time with all this upgrades!

Soon new Tie opt and cockpit ?
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Post by Bman » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:52 am

Hey Trev, yes to answer the question. I'm speaking from point of view of using AlliED mission editor which currently has a limitation of only referencing 4 different texture maps max, per Model or rather the Model's meshes. Jeremy's hook gets around that now. Justagai's YOGEME editor probably makes this issue a mute point.
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This is one model (Xwing.opt, XwingExterior.opt and XwingCockpit.opt) each packed with multiple maps, is an alternative to using up another craft slot, or using the objects.txt hook assignment statement. So you would have to have 1 ship FG for each FG texture. For example, the first map in AlliED's color drop-down menu references the first texture map of Flight Group "Red Leader" which shows one stripe. If you wanted 2 or more "Red Leaders" then yes they would have same single stripe but would look a little odd, geek speakwise.
If I wanted to repeat the process, I could include the blue, gold, and green texture maps to same model. Then I would have to add: fg, "N", markings, "6" . . .where N represents the next FG index number after the backdrop FG.

Currently this seems more efficient until a new craft hook you and Keiran are talking about would become feasible. Using more FG's per mission is not really a material issue compared to usurping limited craft slots. I believe we can now have up to a maximum of 196 different FlightGroups (6 ships max per FG regardless of the texture maps) per mission and assuming they are all in one region. I'm just saying this technique can work for any model, keeping file size in mind vs. performance. Now back on topic for Z-95 . . . :-)

4/24/2020 EDIT: Just looked at Spyder's X-wing models he released last summer. He's already incorporated this into his versions. Are there any VR D.C. & A.C. files for his models?
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Post by Trevor » Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:35 am

Bman, yes, this is what I think people already knew.

The point I beleve was having a hook which enabled 1 FG (red) to have individual markings per craft while still being a single FG (allowing wingman commands etc) and now thanks to Jeremys brilliance we can
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(just seen your reply, but Ill leave this here so others see it too)

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Post by Ace Antilles » Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:12 am

Bman wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:52 am
Hey Trev, yes to answer the question. I'm speaking from point of view of using AlliED mission editor which currently has a limitation of only referencing 4 different texture maps max, per Model or rather the Model's meshes. Jeremy's hook gets around that now. Justagai's YOGEME editor probably makes this issue a mute point.
Where do you get this YOGEME editor I've heard about mentioned?
Also what does it do different to AlliED?
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Post by JeremyaFr » Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:08 pm

You can get it here:
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Post by ual002 » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:41 pm

I still think its so strange Troy Dangerfield is missing, hasn't bothered to poke his head in at all during SW renaissance. Kinda makes me worried he's no longer with us.
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Post by Tony Knightcrawler » Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:40 am

Looks great! I'm so happy to see all these new interactive cockpits. :)

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