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Post by ual002 » Sun May 06, 2018 6:34 pm

Ok, yea just use the link to the spreadsheet and take a screenshot. :)
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Post by Darksaber » Sun May 06, 2018 7:42 pm

Why take a screenshot when he can download it as a Excel spreadsheet???
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Post by ual002 » Mon May 07, 2018 12:02 am

That works too.
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Post by Safe-Keeper » Fri May 18, 2018 4:07 pm

Some wonderful discoveries here, thank you to all who contributed :O .

This also reminded me I need to check out YOGEME again. Will do so now.

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Post by ual002 » Fri May 18, 2018 7:12 pm

Yogme can still be a little buggy but it has some really cool features being actively developed.
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Post by Safe-Keeper » Sat May 26, 2018 8:25 pm

For whoever knows, does the "no cargo pods" affect anything? I picture for example a Container Transport without containers. Does it change how some of the ships end up appearing?

And yes, YOGEME does look really promising. Will probably use it in tandem with AlliED in the future.

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Post by ual002 » Thu May 31, 2018 3:50 am

I wondered that as well. There seems to be a lot of orders im still not entirely sure how to use even nearly 20 years later.

We should have like an allied/yogme workshop. Maybe a series of youtube videos. I could totally do this. I wonder what I should focus on, how long episodes would be and how I would break up subject material between videos. Im no expert but I feel like the basics would be a good start.
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Post by Phoenix Leader » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:05 am

Just a minor update: Status 27 is used to prevent the objects inside a hangar from being targeted.

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Post by Jaeven » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:04 pm

I'm not sure what that means. How would you target objects inside a hangar?

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Post by Phoenix Leader » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:38 pm

In all the missions of the Prologue there is a hangar container CN/HRG Azzameen.
In missions 1, 2, 3 and 4 this hangar has status 27, whereas in missions 5, 6 and 7 both the status lines are set to normal.
In missions 5, 6 and 7 you can target the 5 containers K and 2 containers L inside the hangar of the Azzameen base, whereas in the previous missions you can't.

However, there is a completely illogical fact: even if those 7 containers belong to your team and you have just left the hangar, they are not only not inspected yet, but they are also unidentified!

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Post by Phoenix Leader » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:01 pm

A partial solution to solve this incoherence could be adding status 27 to CN/HRG Azzameen in those missions, even though the 7 containers will still be displayed in the friendly craft list as unknowns, just like the connector rods in a Cargo Tanker train.

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Post by keiranhalcyon7 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:35 am

Interesting... those 7 containers in the hangar aren't present in AlliED, and that container/Hgr isn't present in game. It's like the exe is replacing the CN/Hgr with the containers K and L in the Azzameen base hangar.

Note: with status 27, the containers are still targettable with boresights, just not when cycling targets.

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Post by Phoenix Leader » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:41 am

You are right. Even with status 27 assigned, the containers can still be targeted by pressing Alt+1.
An other interesting fact is that status 27 only works when assigned as Status 1.
If you set Status 1: 200% Shields and Status 2: 27, the containers can still be targeted with cycling targets (T or Y).
Same result if you assign an other status as Status 1 (I've experimented nearly all of them).

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Post by Phoenix Leader » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:53 am

There are also other objects inside the hangar which cannot be targeted even with Alt+1 regardless of the Status assigned, but you still get the message when you destroy them: for example "NA Pi 4 destroyed".

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Post by Phoenix Leader » Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:03 pm

It seems that Status 1: 27 only works with the hangar.
Tried to assign it to a Hyper Buoy but it didn't work.

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Post by Driftwood » Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:20 pm

Apparently you've never played any of DTMs planetary missions. Condition 27 works fine, the hyper bouy is probably hard coded to be targetable regardless of conditions.

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Post by JeremyaFr » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:55 pm

The hyper buoy is automatically targetted when pressing the N key.

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Post by Darksaber » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:20 pm

Anyone got any more updates to the Allied text files??

Class.txt
Conds.txt
Status.txt

Would you please share your updated files please
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Post by Bman » Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:55 am

Hi DS, here are mine, WIP, but they "might be" outdated if new things have been discovered/added. You could dump these into Excel file and compare to other versions if that helps.

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Post by Darksaber » Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:18 am

Cheers mate
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Post by Phoenix Leader » Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:44 am

At last the updated Status.txt file.
Thanks Bman, awesome addition.

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Post by Phoenix Leader » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:15 am

I have just compared the Status list with the numbers and I have only 1 minor question to ask: isn't the Limited Targetability Status number 27, instead of number 28?
As for its function to prevent the player from targeting crafts using cycling targets (T or Y) I have no idea why it works only when it's set in the Status 1 position.

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Post by Mark_Farlander » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:28 pm

The answer to the second thing might be hidden in the order the Status are applied to the Flight Group.
I remember this old post about the order the shield status is evaluated: https://xwaupgrade.com/phpBB3/viewtopic ... 7&start=29
My suspect is that there is something similar about the order already identified/not identified/already inspected/not inspected/Limited Targetability status are evaluated.

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Post by Mark_Farlander » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:34 pm

I don't remember if that shield status evaluation order is a priority-exclusive order or if it's a priority order where the effects of the 2 status are cumulative.

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Post by JeremyaFr » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:49 pm

The status number 27 is only evaluated for status1, not for status2.

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