Updating some models

[AlaricSkywalker]

Hi, I'm new around here, but I had some questions about some craft.

After hearing Darksaber's site was shut down I was worried about being able to get the UCP for X-Wing Alliance. However, a few days ago, I found out that indeed you guys still have all of the ships he made. With that, some more immediate questions came up:

Obviously some ships weren't given visuals until after they were modeled, but some have since, like the K-wing. For such ships, will they have their appearances updated to reflect their more accurate look? *main one is the k-wing for me*

Also, am I allowed to suggest craft for the UCP? If so, please give me the link to where so I'm not spamming it in the wrong place (got some good ones in mind, but I'd rather post them in said forum rather than somewhere where it might not be seen).

I know there is more priority to the core stuff rather than the UCP, but if there are some working on some of it in off time, it'd be nice to have answers.

p.s. to the staff team, happy to make your acquaintance. Hope to be able to help provide in whatever ways I can.

Update: since it's gotten several views, figured I'd post a link to the k-wing so you guys who are curious know what it actually looks like: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/BTL-S8 ... tarfighter

[Tony Knightcrawler]

Well, this forum is really only for XWAU, which doesn't cover ships that aren't in XWA, with the exception of a few ships that were PLANNED for XWA but not finished by Totally Games. Additionally, I think many of the modelers here consider XWAU ships a priority over others. The K-Wing is also a pretty weird ship, and a lot of people either love it or hate it. And while the K-Wing does have some good source images now, some finer details on the ship - like details with the turrets - aren't really represented and will likely require a lot of research into WWII aircraft, as well as trial and error. With that said, thanks to the new hook system, the K-Wing can now be faithfully represented with SLAMS. Considering the K-Wing features in the tabletop X-Wing game, and that it's included in popular Empire at War mods, it's not too unbelievable that someone will model it at some point.

The UCP was specifically a Darksaber compilation, and to the best of my knowledge, he has left the community. Future compilations will likely not be called the "UCP," and I don't know if anyone is making one right now.

In the future, you can discuss non-XWAU things in the Pilot's Lounge or other forums.

[AlaricSkywalker]

Well, this forum is really only for XWAU, which doesn't cover ships that aren't in XWA, with the exception of a few ships that were PLANNED for XWA but not finished by Totally Games. Additionally, I think many of the modelers here consider XWAU ships a priority over others. The K-Wing is also a pretty weird ship, and a lot of people either love it or hate it. And while the K-Wing does have some good source images now, some finer details on the ship - like details with the turrets - aren't really represented and will likely require a lot of research into WWII aircraft, as well as trial and error. With that said, thanks to the new hook system, the K-Wing can now be faithfully represented with SLAMS. Considering the K-Wing features in the tabletop X-Wing game, and that it's included in popular Empire at War mods, it's not too unbelievable that someone will model it at some point.

The UCP was specifically a Darksaber compilation, and to the best of my knowledge, he has left the community. Future compilations will likely not be called the "UCP," and I don't know if anyone is making one right now.

In the future, you can discuss non-XWAU things in the Pilot's Lounge or other forums.

Okay. Thanks for the info. I'll keep that in mind for future reference.

[Forceflow]

Hi, I'm new around here, but I had some questions about some craft.

After hearing Darksaber's site was shut down I was worried about being able to get the UCP for X-Wing Alliance. However, a few days ago, I found out that indeed you guys still have all of the ships he made. With that, some more immediate questions came up:

Obviously some ships weren't given visuals until after they were modeled, but some have since, like the K-wing. For such ships, will they have their appearances updated to reflect their more accurate look? *main one is the k-wing for me*

Also, am I allowed to suggest craft for the UCP? If so, please give me the link to where so I'm not spamming it in the wrong place (got some good ones in mind, but I'd rather post them in said forum rather than somewhere where it might not be seen).

I know there is more priority to the core stuff rather than the UCP, but if there are some working on some of it in off time, it'd be nice to have answers.

p.s. to the staff team, happy to make your acquaintance. Hope to be able to help provide in whatever ways I can.

Update: since it's gotten several views, figured I'd post a link to the k-wing so you guys who are curious know what it actually looks like: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/BTL-S8 ... tarfighter

Hi, Tony did sum it up fairly nicely. I moved the topic into the Pilot's Lounge as it really belongs there.
As for your question, currently there are no definite plans to release anything from the DSCUP or to host it. We simply cannot maintain it in addition to the XWAU which is really taking all the time of the guys right now. We also wont upgrade any of the ships within the scope of the XWAU. Of course all the modders are free to work on any model they want, so if any of the crew want to update the K-Wing or any other non-XWA craft they can of course do this. It just wont be part of this project.
There has been some talk about how we could make an add-on that would add non-XWA crafts into the game in some but that is a long way off. Currently we need to get our own stuff in order and see about making things a bit more streamlined.

[AlaricSkywalker]

Hi, I'm new around here, but I had some questions about some craft.

After hearing Darksaber's site was shut down I was worried about being able to get the UCP for X-Wing Alliance. However, a few days ago, I found out that indeed you guys still have all of the ships he made. With that, some more immediate questions came up:

Obviously some ships weren't given visuals until after they were modeled, but some have since, like the K-wing. For such ships, will they have their appearances updated to reflect their more accurate look? *main one is the k-wing for me*

Also, am I allowed to suggest craft for the UCP? If so, please give me the link to where so I'm not spamming it in the wrong place (got some good ones in mind, but I'd rather post them in said forum rather than somewhere where it might not be seen).

I know there is more priority to the core stuff rather than the UCP, but if there are some working on some of it in off time, it'd be nice to have answers.

p.s. to the staff team, happy to make your acquaintance. Hope to be able to help provide in whatever ways I can.

Update: since it's gotten several views, figured I'd post a link to the k-wing so you guys who are curious know what it actually looks like: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/BTL-S8 ... tarfighter

Hi, Tony did sum it up fairly nicely. I moved the topic into the Pilot's Lounge as it really belongs there.
As for your question, currently there are no definite plans to release anything from the DSCUP or to host it. We simply cannot maintain it in addition to the XWAU which is really taking all the time of the guys right now. We also wont upgrade any of the ships within the scope of the XWAU. Of course all the modders are free to work on any model they want, so if any of the crew want to update the K-Wing or any other non-XWA craft they can of course do this. It just wont be part of this project.
There has been some talk about how we could make an add-on that would add non-XWA crafts into the game in some but that is a long way off. Currently we need to get our own stuff in order and see about making things a bit more streamlined.

Thanks again for that Forceflow.

Anyways, I understand that there aren't any plans for DSUCP at the moment since there's still some ships that need maintaining it, and I can respect that (at least we can pick up the pack from the downloads section). I can be patient with it.

In the meantime, this addon for addin non-XWA ships into the game does sound intriguing, though I understand that, indeed, it'll be a ways away. I wish you all luck with getting everything in order. If you need any help with any of it, I'd be willing to help test some of it (just need to install the program as well as the upgrade and then make sure it's all set up).

[AlaricSkywalker]

Question to all:

Is it alright if I set up a list of ships that I'd like to have featured in the craft pack at some point, as well as additional flight groups for some craft?
I know, as the devs mentioned that the team is still getting everything else in order, this is just to get it out of my system, as well as give some ideas for some custom campaigns I'm thinking of to essentially be unofficial dlc for X-wing Alliance. Plus, I'm curious if any of these ships will tickle the fancy of any modders out there, and also talk about opinions of some craft I'll be listing.

[Forceflow]

Feel free to post them, just don't expect that this will be considered in the crafts pack. For once this is still a long way out, and there are other considerations that come to play. It will let likely stay close to the way the DSCUP had been setup as this has worked for a lot of folks for quite a while. We will also look into to her mods like the TFTC once things get more clear cut. Doesn't mean we won't also look at other suggestions, but again this is currently way, way down on our list of things to do.

[AlaricSkywalker]

Before I get into the actual ships themselves, want to say that this list will be updated over time, partially with any last minutes I forgot (though I hope that this won't be an issue), though more commonly with those that a modder said they'd like to create/update (or add a flight group to depending on the fighter), as well as those they have succeeded in doing. Again, I know this is extremely long term, but I'm just curious to see what you all think of the possibilities. If any are already made, feel free to let me know (since ds's site has been taken down, it can be hard at times to figure out what's currently in and which isn't).

Craft to update:
K-Wing (reason is in above comments)

Fighter Wing additions:
LAAT gunship (rebel variant)
Y-Wing (pirate)
Z-95 (pirate)
Skipray Blastboat (Zann Consortium)
Starviper (Zann Consortium)

New Craft:
*Starfighters
#Naboo
N-X Police Cruiser
Naboo Bomber (Battle For Naboo)
Naboo Fighter Bomber (looks like an N1 but with two big engines between the wings and hull)

#CIS
Hyena Droid Bomber
Droid Tri Fighter [done already; looked at an archive of darksaber's site to confirm it]
Belbullab-22 Starfighter
HMP Droid Gunship
Mechanized Assault Flyer
Porax-38 Starfighter
Mankiv 814
Scarab

#Clone Wars Republic
Clone Z-95 Headhunter
Republic Tie [done already; looked at an archive of darksaber's site to confirm it]
NTB 630 Bomber (used in plenty of fan projects, but if you need a pic, I'll update with the link)
Jedi Bomber (will provide link if you can't find it)
Police Gunship (flight wing can include imperial variant)

#Rebels
U-Wing
MAAT Gunship
H-Wing
Fang Fighter
M-Wing
H-60 Tempest bomber
The Ghost (VCX-100 Light Freighter)
The Phantom I
The Phantom II (Shaethipede transport)
StarScavenger (Freemakers)
Arrowhead (Freemakers)
StarScavenger/Arrowhead amalgamation (If anyone's curious, I can try to find some good places to get some visuals)
Rogue Shadow (both variants)

#Imperial
Tie Striker
Tie Scout
VT-49 Decimator (essentially works like an imperial yt-1300 in terms of gameplay)
Imperial Dropship Transport (IDT)
Nemesis-class gunship
Tie Hunter
Outland Tie fighter (essentially standard tie but with folding wings)
Eclipse Fighter (Freemaker Adventures)
D-Wing (yes, such a thing exists; I can provide a link for proof if you need me to)

#Pirates (as well as Zann Consortium)
Rihkxyrk assault fighter
Aggressor Assault Fighter (IG-2000)
G-1A Starfighter (Mist Hunter)
JumpMaster 5000 (Punishing One)
Kihraxz Fighter
Lancer-class Pursuit Craft (essentially works like a consortium alligned yt-1300 in terms of gameplay)
M3-A Interceptor
M12-L Kimogila Fighter
G1-M4-C Dunelizard Fighter
YV-666 Light Freighter (Hound's Tooth)
Dagger class Starfighter
MorningStar class Starfighter (A, B, and C variants)
Dianoga-class assault fighter
"Unidentified Mercenary Craft" (that's what wookiepedia calls it)

#Old Republic
Aurek-class tactical strikefighter (kotor)
S-250 Chela-class starfighter (kotor)
Dynamic-class freighter (Ebon Hawk, kotor; similar to yt-1300)
G-type Light shuttle (kotor, sith imperial flight group variant as well)
Liberator-class Starfighter
PT-7 "Raven" Starfighter
Warcarrier Bomber/Sledgehammer Bomber (in debate of which one to have; I might let you guys decide on it if you want)
Defender class light corvette (jedi yt-1300 essentially)
BT-7 Thunderclap (republic yt-1300 essentially)
XS Stock light freighter (TOR era yt-1300)

#Sith Empire
Sith Fighter (kotor)
Mark VI Supremacy-class starfighter
B28 Extinction-class bomber
Fury class Imperial Interceptor (Sith yt-1300)
X-70B Phantom-class prototype (Sith Imperial yt-1300)
D5-Mantis Patrol Craft (SI mando yt-1300)

#Other fighters
VAAT gunship
SS-54 assault ship
Gauntlet class starfighter
Quadrijet Transfer Spacetug
G9 Rigger-class light freighter (the Twilight)
Scurrg H-6 Bomber
Freefall
G-400
Sigil (Starfighter)
Velker (Starfighter)
Zoomer
Guardian Mantis
The Razor Crest
T-85 X-Wing
Resistance Y-Wing
Resistance B-Wing
First Order Tie Interceptor
First Order Tie Bomber
First Order Tie Silencer
X-Wing drone (non-flyable)
Fireball
Green Ace
Blue Ace
Black Ace
Red Ace
Yellow Ace
Yeager's Starfighter
Tri-Wing S-91x Pegasus Starfighter (used by New Republic and Resistance)

*Capital Ships
#CIS
Providence class cruiser [already done]
Munificent frigate [already done]
recusant cruiser [already done]
supply ship
cis carrier
lupus class missile frigate
techno union frigate
bulwark mk1
subjugator class dreadnaught (malevolence)

#Clone Wars Republic (note, variants of these ships included if possible)
venator ttack cruiser [already done]
acclamator assault ship [already done]
pelta class frigate
arquitens class light cruiser [already done]
stealth ship
consular class cruiser [already done]
stalwart class heavy cruiser
centax heavy frigate
mandator (1 and 2)
republic variants of victory 1 and imperator (imperial) class star destroyer [VSD republic Variant done]

#Rebels
hammerhead corvette
assault frigate mk 2
bulwark battlecruiser
dauntless heavy cruiser
cc-7700 frigate
MC30c frigate
Viscount-class Star Defender
Rebel Lucrehulk
MC60
MC75 Barracuda
Starhawk class Battleship

#Imperial
Tartan Patrol Cruiser
Raider-class Corvette
Broadside Missile Cruiser
Imperial Escort Carrier
Virgil Class Corvette
Onager class Star Destroyer
Supertanker fuel depot (Colossus)
Eclipse-class Super Star Destroyer (can't remember if it was in the ucp or not)

#Pirates (as well as Zann Consortium)
M22-T Krayt Gunship
TZ-86 transport
RZ-52 transport
TZ-15 shuttle
Crusader-class corvette
Interceptor IV-class frigate
Vengeance class frigate
Keldabe class battleship
Aggressor class destroyer

#Old Republic
Foray-class blockade runner (kotor)
Hammerhead-class cruiser (kotor)
Thranta class Corvette
Valor class cruiser

#Sith Empire
Interdictor-class cruiser (kotor)
Terminus-class destroyer
Harrower-class dreadnaught

#Other ships
Resurgent class star destroyer
MC85 Dreadnaught (Raddus)
Nebulon C Frigate

*Space Stations
Alliance space station (all 5 levels): https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Alliance_Space_Station
Imperial Cardan class space station (all 5 levels): https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Cardan ... ce_station
Consortium space station (all 5 levels): https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Consor ... ce_station

Okay, I think that should do it. Now, as I mentioned before, I had some ideas for some dlc for X-Wing Alliance to help make the game feel a little more complete. At that end, I'm thinking that three packs will do it, one a Zann Consortium Campaign, one and Imperial Campaign, and the third a "New Republic" Campaign. I'm still thinking of the stories for each one, but I have starts on them for later (when the devs have everything taken care of; I'm in no rush to get them out the door, since some will require some of the ships I've listed for the full effect).

The Zann Consortium Campaign focuses on a small pirate crew which joins the Zann Consortium both for revenge against the empire and also to earn some fame as a criminal fighter pilot (first three missions start with a lancer class patrol craft before accessing the consortiums fighters, mainly the starviper, skipray blastboat, as well as a few other pirate fighters [still deciding which exactly, but the Kihraxz fighter, M3-A Interceptor, Kimogila Fighter, and the Rihkxyrk assault fighter for sure are on the list] and the final 4-part mission being the capture of the Eclipse at Kuat, from Forces of Corruption).

The Imperial Campaign focuses on a promising imperial pilot who takes part in some of the empire's operations, though near the end, due to having communications jammed, they don't get orders to join the battle of Endor, and later the whole group eventually decides to defect in the final chapter (fyi, Immanuel Doza, Venisa, and Griff Halloran will feature, so you can see this as a fan interpretation of Doza and Halloran's defection story and hints to Immanuel and Venisa eventually getting together). First three missions start with a VT-49 decimator, with eventual craft after becoming an official imperial pilot being the Tie Fighter, Tie Interceptor, Tie Bomber, Tie Defender, Tie Avenger, Assault Gunboat, Missile Boat, Tie Scout, and Tie Striker. Final 4-part mission being the escape from Imperial forces trying to kill you for desertion as well as Zann Consortium forces who are after the price Tyber put on all "imperial heads" (rebels, in this final chapter [still deciding how many chapters these will be] will be your allies, unlike the other chapters].

The "New Republic" Campaign focuses on Ace Azzameen as well as his family and fighter groups, now stationed on an MC-cruiser, the Tomaas, which is currently stationed at the Azzameen Family home base, and Dunari has located Antan. While hunting him down, you learn that the Zann Consortium is on the rise (you end up saving loads of civilians that were at the imperial remnant rally protesting the New Republic [Antan was there but escapes in the confusion] that the imperials leave behind while escaping the Consortium). While continuing the hunt for Antan, you, along with your families' forces (they use Toscan fighters, Planetary Fighters, and Z-95s, like the republic), and Dunari's forces (mostly cloakshape fighters, r-41s and t-wings) help the New Republic with not only bringing down the imperial remnants but also assess the threat of the Consortium. You will occasionally help defecting imperial forces reach asylum, some of which help you in return (the pilot you play as in the imperial campaign being one of them), and also get one final showdown with K'Armyn Viraxo before the campaign concludes (he kills Antan before you kill Viraxo and help shut down their business for good, securing the Azzameen's assets for the time being). In addition to the Azzameen transports you fly, as well as the X-wing, Y-wing, A-wing, B-wing and Z-95, you also get access to the E-wing and K-wing (part of why I'd like it to be up-to-date) and in the final chapter the Pegasis starfighter, to fly in for your missions (when going through and flying some missions again in the simulators, you can use the Azzameen and Dunari fighters I mentioned). The final 4-part mission, a battle above Korriban. While the New Republic is preparing for it's showdown with the Imperial remnants at Jakku, your group, plus the imperial defectors from the imperial campaign, have discovered that Silri has unleashed and taken control of the carbonite sith army she found on Korriban, and got them all to swear allegiance to Tyber Zann's criminal empire (part of why I listed the Sith Imperial Kotor ships) and adding their forces to the Zann Consortium (in other words, while the New Republic takes on the imperial remnants, you take on Tyber's fleet in an attempt to stop them before they can start causing problems across the galaxy, one of the four parts being a show down with the Consortium Campaigns' pilot).

I think I've rambled on enough. Let me know what you guys think of the fighter suggestions (as well as my campaign ideas) when you get the chance. If you need pics, I'll add links to what I can.

[Vince T]

Erm the VSD 1 has a Republic variant, FG Color 4

[AlaricSkywalker]

Erm the VSD 1 has a Republic variant, FG Color 4

Thanks for the info. With everything going on, it's nice to know if something has already been taken care of.